Romance Scammers abusing stolen photos of Liza Soberano

[username008]

True. But I also remember a month and a half ago. I begged for a phone number remembering that "Sarah" mentioned a phone she borrowed from an aunt from Kentucky. There was va text from that number. Once. I googled that area code and it is Washington D C. Can you verify this number? I forgot I had it saved. (202) 838-8369.

[Big Al]

+12028388369
Number billable as geographic number
Country or destination United States
City or exchange location Westchester, DC
Original network provider* Broadvox-clec - Dc

No scam hits that I could find.
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That is a VOIP redirected Phone number.

[username008]

Ok. So, the entity known as Sarah provided me with that number, then once out of curiosity I dialed it. Of course it rang until it went to voicemail. The message was "the text subscriber is not available. . . " I left a message like Hey Sarah Jasmine, . . . " a little later there was a text alert from that number. The mesaage was "xx boo, I told you that it is expensive to text here on phone let us stick to the google or facebook. My baby." To me that the geographical data isfrom Washington D. C. appears as if my perpertrator is from that locale. So what if Sarah is actually in the U. S. and not in Africa.

[SlapHappy]

That number is REDIRECTED to some other number, so it makes you think they are in Washington, when in fact they are not. This is consistent with West African scammers. It also gives them control over when they will actually talk to you or not.
An actual voice call with you may involve them getting a wife or girlfriend to do the calls for him, and for that she needs to around when you are.

"it is expensive to text here on phone" This may be true of some redirected numbers. Might cost him 15-40 cents ea.,
Where Email and facebook messages are FREE. This scammer wants to stick with FREE accounts, where he can control when he talks to you there. This insures that he can continue to scam whoever he is talking to other than you, and get back to you when he is prepared for his next tactic to get money from you. This is also more typical of African scammers.

After dealing with hundreds of thousands of scammers over the last 36 combined years every single day, we do know exactly what we are talking about.

[username008]

I now understand. So one more instance. There was a time Sarah actually talked to me on a number and it was another one she sent that was a landline. I called the number. It was a Michigan number. I remember googling that number. Unfortunately the conversation was on my landline number that I called from which since is no longer in service because my house phone was damaged. But I asked Sarah to call me please. She gave me this number because I told her my brother was suspicious after had told him about her. Although my brother never did do anything other than voice concern I told Sarah the local law enforcement was contacted in relation to a recent transaction we had made. Her and I. I sent $330 in a wire transfer a moneygram to help Sarah get food for herself at the UNICEF base in Midland Michigan. The individual she told me was her director. Mr. John Brawt. I wired money to him. She thanked me profusely on our next couple of Facebook chats. I incidentally noted that on her Facebook profile the Michigan State University was listed as a place of study. Also that she was a onetime Texas A&M student. She told me that she at one time lived in Dallas which also was listed on her profile as where she lived. She said she was planning until she met me to go to Virginia where her mother lived. She mentioned being a health care provider and worked at a St Luke hospital in Virginia. I googled St Luke hospitals in Virginia and some came up. Well shortly after the money transfer I told my older brother and he in fact voiced concerns. But I told Sarah that the law was contacted. She was perturbed to say the least and I argued a bit. She said she would give me Mr. Brawt's office number which I called. I remember the man had a deep accent that was African sounding. Definitely not English. I then asked to speak to Sarah. After a few minutes.a woman timidly said my name and we talked. I heard other people in the background like men and women. But Sarah spoke broken English. Not so much the same accent but I pictured an Indian or even middle eastern tone. Then the man told me that I was welcome to call her back at this number at any time. Then I asked what her ethnic origin was. The man who said he was John Brawt said Sarah's dad was Russian. So I quizzed Sarah and she told more a story of her father being Russian and that he married her mother who was American while he was on business in the U.S. Her father took his wife to Russia where Sarah was born and after high school her family moved to the United States. I would remind her of my Orthodox Christian faith. I pointed out there were a large amount of Russians who practiced Orthodoxy. I even teased her about teaching me the language. I then would say,"Da" instead of "yes." or "nyet" if i would disagree. She found it amusing. I would even call her my "Czarina." A couple of other times she would randomly call from the Facebook voice chats. Again I noticed the eastern sounding voice but really not eastern European. More of a middle eastern. I also noticed at times the type of language she used in her text seemed as if broken English similar to that of a middle easterner. I need to let you know that in my locale the convenience stores are ran by Middle Eastern people. I picked up on her text grammar by knowing how the English grammar of these store keepers are. Also in my church and other Orthodox Churches I have attended in Galveston and Houston I have spoken to Eastern Europeans and noted the different grammar used. I used this as a sort of point of reference. Sorry for the length of the posts but I am shedding light I hope on this mysterious person or persons.

[username008]

I tried to edit my grammar here as I typed it from my phone and noticed several typos. But when I shifted to my pc to do the editing the error message I got was that I could not edit or delete the post.

[SlapHappy]

I edited your typos in your post. We limit member editing here, as once scammer information is posted, we do not want it disappearing. There is is a time limit on editing posts, and if you log off or use another device, the posts are locked from editing by anyone but the staff.

she sent that was a landline

There are different tracers out there, and some marked "landline" may not actually be hardwired and dedicated old-style telco lines, but actually VOIP lines that can be redirected to anywhere in the world. It also could be a"Spoofed number."

UNICEF base

AS I have said before there are no UNICEF operations going on in States here. And the word, "base" is often used by Nigerians to describe relief operations sites in Africa. They also use the phrase "on base," and "here on ground."

was her director

"Director," instead of the term used in the USA which is manager is also indicative of a Nigerian or other West African scammer. That is the term they use over there. Blackmail scammers also will use "YouTube Director" to threaten victims to pay them.

I remember the man had a deep accent that was African sounding. Definitely not English.

Another big RED FLAG here.

After a few minutes.a woman timidly said my name and we talked. I heard other people in the background like men and women. But Sarah spoke broken English.

Just as I said before, they got one of their girlfriend's to talk, and she tried to disguise her voice, so she did not sound "African." She was probably handed a script of things to tell you.
Often scammers will scam together in groups, scamming others in the background, offering advice to other scammers, not realizing that the victims can hear the others. When questioned about it, they say they are in their "office."
We have called West African 419 scammers thousands of times, and quite a few times heard the other scammers in the room scamming other victims while on the line with the one we called. We have also had many scammers try to disguise their voices, some pretty good at it, some quite badly.

If you would like to hear the stories of other victims of scams in interviews with them, and interviews of antiscam people, including the staff here, check out our podcasts. https://www.scamsurvivors.com/podcasts/
Podcast #3 might be quite enlightening for you, as a West African scammer tried to justify why it is "Ok to scam people," after our fake characters are "almost scammed" by this guy.
His twisted views of religion are also typical of ALL West African scammers. I think you will find it quite shocking.

[username008]

Thanks for the editing help and the explanations. Very enlightening. Seeing all you say I do think I am getting a glimpse into this dark world. Now call me a fool. But I am intrigued. I do not believe this Sarah person exists. No not at all. But someone is behind the keyboard. Allow me to please play out a scenario. With all the technology to know where these thieving thugs are, is it possible to break through their cloaked ip addresses and I know the ips can be spoofed. I was told by a police officer in my town twice. Once when I had a police officer come to my house in reference to this. The second time after I went to the police station and brought a check that was fed ex delivered to me. I took it to both my credit unions and explained to them my situation. Of course both credit union managers told me it was a counterfeit. I saved the name of an individual associated with that check. But both times a law enforcement officer discussed tracing i p addresses. The officer that came to my house told me of a program called netstat. I used netstat on a few occasions while chatting with Sarah on google hangouts.The officer at the station who talked to me said those addresses would not really tell where the exact location is of the computer where the unsub would be chatting or their mobile device because they can use sophisticated software that can cloak a location. Herein lies my question of a possible scenario. With all the technology that the federal authorities, Homeland security, et cetera has, cannot an undercover sting operation be done? As big a problem as this is is not there a such need to create a team of individuals to uncover these scammers. They could even be in league with terror cells, drug cartels, and as Sarah played along with me about being Russian, so I contrived in my mind that maybe she was. I thought she could be a small part of a larger network. The Russian mob is very how do yo say? Industrious? Not to mention highly ruthless and dangerous. I played with her and said even that there was a church in Houston where a Russian man attended. I created a persona of a man who was a restaurant owner that also ran secret gambling parlors in Houston and Galveston.I told her that I could apply for a job as a dishwasher at one of his restaurants. In fact I am a restaurant dishwasher by occupation. Then I said she should come to Texas and I would gladly introduce her to this gentleman. I also said if we are to be faithful to the church we should give a tithe to the church if I do get hired on by him. None of that was true of course. But she or he or it, would not know this, I planned to have law enforcement alerted and Sarah be it he or she, would be arrested. I teased her a bit and said that if this goes well, then by all means we would never have to buy i tune or Amazon cards to support ourselves. Knowing this was a scam I wanted to infiltrate the network. I peeved her though shortly before I signed up for this forum. She did take me serious about the Houston Russian business man. She knew I was a kitchen worker because with my phone I took pictures of the dining room and kitchen.I took pictures of inside my church and posted these pictures to her Google hangouts. To gain her confidence. I said before we even exchanged Bible verses and studied the Bible scriptures. She said something once about she knew that Orthodoxy was a major church well respected. Also I told her my brother is a CPA and a licensed fraud examiner. I snapped a photo of his credentials as a fraud examiner, and his CPA License that was hanging from his wall. I proved that what I was saying was so. I had the good sense never to photo any addresses of his business. No shots which would identify where this was. Other than the state of Texas seal on his framed credentials on the office wall. Like I say, call me a fool. But I know some how some way uncover Sarah Jasmine Lucas identity and I bet dollars to doughnuts that a larger web is uncovered. Even a organized crime cell be it Russian, Ghanan, Nigerian, or Asian even. I said a few sentences ago that I peeved her by telling her something and we have not communicated since. I told her that I wanted in on the game. I said I knew the pictures were of Liza Soberano, and that I know I am being cat fished. Her words, "What means these? Cat fish?"
I explained. Then texted, "Darling I am cool. with that I love you Czarina. I do not care. I believe you are in a group of folks that make you do these things. Hustling in the street having to live off of I tune and Amazon cards. Come to me I will rescue you my lamb before the wolves tear you apart."
She replied: "You are crazy!!! What you mean by these?" Accusations???" I chuckled to my self then said I would give her a life free from the bad people. She quit texting a long time then responded "You do not know what you speak of. You are on drugs maybe." I was mad by this and cursed and she said."These abuse of language to your Czarina? You call me lamb then curse? you are wicked man." I got in my last barb with: "I know there is not a woman but a man typing. I want you to add up all the i tune cards and Amazons and the wire transfer, and consider that payment for having my lamb Sarah Jasmine Lucas to come to me. I want your daughter sir." I got no reply of course.
Now I know that was foolish but at the time thouht maybe the unsubs involved would scratch their heads and think maybe I was serious. Maybe i did want to join in. I swear if they took me up I would contact local and federal agents and agree to go undercover. Then I just knew I would help uncover a ring of scum that could be brought to justice. With all the technology the federal authorities have I know they can do just that. I mean look at major child porn rings that have been uncovered just as example. If La Cosa Nostra was still big today they would have the internet in their grasp just as the Russian or African organized criminals do today. Just a footnote in closing.

[firefly]

username008,

Scenarios are just that: scenarios. The real life is not the one you see on the screen of your computer or mobile phone. Not the one you see in movies. Running in circles and wondering "what if" will get you nowhere.

How about a reality check? viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37058

[username008]

I know that there is a way to make my scenario happen. I will not back down until someone does help me make it happen and bring it to reality. I know the risk. I know the technology exists and the proper authorities can get it done I am not giving up until it happens. No body is impenetrable. Eventually they are exposed. I want to go undercover. Someone is reading this post. Someone that knows how to get it done. I am not going to be told no.